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It's safe to say that anyone who
is a fan of anime knows about Anime News Network, the unquestioned king
of anime websites. I can't rightly remember if it was through complete
happenstance or me emailing first, but I struck up a conversation with
Jonathan Mays, then a contributor and now the editor for ANN. After
many, many late night chats via MSN, I finally asked him to swap some
emails with me for my latest segment of Good, Serious Fun. Little
did I know that this was going to be a near-2,800-word epic that took
nearly six months to complete, but it was well worth the wait.
Dear readers, here is the result.
My questions are in boldface.
Please give me a brief bio about
yourself. The interview equivalent to an A/S/L check in a chat room. You
can either use your real name or not. It's your choice.
Man, I had to Google A/S/L…I'm Jonathan,
21, and somewhere between St. Louis and San Diego at the moment.
How did you get started with jpop? I
mean, you're a chemistry major, right? Was one of your prerequisites
"redefine Japanese music in America?
Several years ago at our state
orchestra retreat, I was hanging out with some people who had peculiar
music tastes. One of them liked J-Pop and told me about someone named
Namie Amuro. I guess that stayed in the back of my head until summer of
2003 when Geneon started selling anime CDs over here. By then I was
confident enough in my so-called anime writing that I figured I'd try an
anime music column. Since then, curiosity and a patient boss have
allowed me to expand it to J-Pop, interviews, and, um...tangential
items.
So what was the first JPop CD you ever
purchased? Is that the one that went into your review?
Chihiro Onitsuka's Sugar High CD
and Budokan DVD.
And what in the heck are "tangential
items?" That just means you get a lot of free swag, huh?
No, no, I mean stuff that is tangentially
related to anime and anime music. I guess you could say the column
begins with anime music, but it usually doesn't end there.
In your experience in reviewing, do
you think there's a difference between reviewing a rock/pop-based album
versus a classically-based album? I mean, most folks know Led Zeppelin
before then know Gershwin, so when you talked about Hyde's guitar
sounding like a horn in your review of "Season's Call," my first thought
was, "Dude, he's just creating a harmonic between strings." Anyway,
should a reviewer be totally versed in the genre of music he/she's
reviewing—or at least a similar vein—or is that irrelevant?
Of course it helps to be well versed in
something you're reviewing. My strength is classical music, but that
didn't keep me from foolishly regarding part of a Beethoven concerto as
a Shiro Sagisu original. I'm only more likely to make those mistakes in
other genres. But as long as I'm fair, honest, and kind of consistent, I
think folks will forgive my occasional missteps, especially when most
other J-Pop writing has an excess of blind love, hatred, and cowardice.
What is the absolute crown jewel in
your writing collection? Is it the Sailor Moon book that you published,
or something else?
As far as contributions to the
"community," the Studio Ironcat story. That thing combined months of
original reporting into one feature that exposed a company for the
disaster it was. I was pleased with my recent Live 8 commentary in which
I invited a Kenyan economist to give his thoughts, though that was more
about breaking conventions than making anything really good. I have an
Ayumi Hamasaki review that I think is an ideal way to approach J-Pop
over here, with equal parts background and analysis. It's just too time
consuming to keep up regularly. I take some measure of pride in my
Warner Music story, which began with a Wall Street Journal report and
took it much further. And hopefully my Hyde concert report will be
evocative without too much pretension or false drama.
Wow, that was long and indulgent. I guess
I'm proud of small bits and pieces that, humility aside, I believe have
taken J-Pop coverage to places they have not been before in America. I
would probably be more successful were I more consistent and focused,
but this way is definitely more fun.
During the time you've reviewed and
interviewed the folks who make Japanese tunes, have you ever found a
person that keeps coming up time and time again? I know that Marty
Friedman (former Megadeth guitarist) has written/produced music for both
Nanase Aikawa, Ami Suzuki and a few others, but is there like some sort
of kingpin who is credited as a major source of music production?
I should pay more attention to credits
beyond the big artists and their producers, but I'm afraid I really
haven't so far. I was recently surprised, however, to see Avril
Lavigne's writer doing songs for Puffy AmiYumi.
In the couple years I've "known" you (how
well can you know a cat via intermittent IMs?), you've risen from
reviewer to senior editor to just plain “editor” at ANN. How'd that all
come down? Any fun new stuff coming up down the road from those guys?
It's not a very interesting story—just
working hard and staying open to new ideas. Interviewing Japan's best
artists was not on my mind when I was entering encyclopedia data, but I
guess that's how things work sometimes.
And when that sort of thing was
presented to you, why'd you pop on it? Resume building or just for fun?
Aside from my internship at a hard rock
station during college, I don't think I've EVER had this sort of
opportunity just plunk itself down in front of me and ask if I'd like to
go out for coffee. Personally, I think it's a fascinating story. Nothing
was presented; I just didn't expect everything to work out as it has. I
guess it's a matter of actually going out and doing something rather
than waiting and wishing and hoping.
Do you think that Japanese music will
ever take off in America as much as Japanese animation did?
No. That doesn't mean it can't be a lot
bigger than it is now, or that the odd artist won't make a mark on the
Billboard charts, but imagine where anime would be if there were no
English dubs.
So "localization" is pretty much the only
way for the music to really hit? Oh, I wouldn't say that at all, just
that music in Japanese will almost certainly not be as popular as
cartoons in English.
Are bands who don't exhibit a high level
of Japan-ness (musically anyway)—like UVERworld or High and Mighty
Color—in a better position to score with American audiences? An analogue
I can think of would be the bands Evanescence (from Arkansas) and Lacuna
Coil (from Italy). Lacuna Coil had been cranking out albums for years
before Evanescence scored big with pretty much the EXACT same sound.
Probably not coincidentally, the last two LC albums (that came out
concurrently and after Evanescence) have sold huge and made their label
a lot of money, even though nothing really changed.
I don't know. I'm not totally
ignorant when it comes to "business" stuff, but sitting back and saying
this guy is a guaranteed superstar and that guy doesn't have a chance is
kind of foolish for me to do. I'd only say it probably helps to do what
you do best, which for most Japanese bands means singing in Japanese.
What are the obstacles that either stand
in the way or move aside passively?
Someone I know made a passing comment
about this yesterday, and I thought it was sort of profound. "Japan has
always seen the US market as out of reach," he said. Why? "They see us
as the innovators of cool and don't realize we have the reverse
perception of them."
That's a really good observation. On the
flip side of that coin, another interviewee for my site here said that
it's like "Japan has convinced asphalt is a tasty snack," meaning that
we'll pretty much consume anything from them just by virtue of where it
was made. It's interesting that the two sides haven't met up yet.
I guess Japan has been the shy middle
school boy who had a crush on the girl across the classroom but was too
afraid to ask her out, and little did he know she would have said yes.
At least with J-Pop, the window to make a serious pass has not yet
closed. Avex and its new management is probably the most likely to find
the courage to try.
Do you think it'll be someone like
Hikaru Utada or Dir en Grey that will breakthrough first? Am I ever
going to see Onmyouza tour here?
It's hard to say "someone like" because
most of the failures so far, except for Utada's, have owed more to the
marketing than the music itself. Dir en Grey has a shot this summer, so
I guess we'll see how that goes.
How do you mean "except for Utada's?" Did
she just put out a sub-par album or something? I haven't heard it, so I
don't rightly know. As for DeG, what's your off-the-cuff gut feeling on
their success or failure with Korn on the Family Values Tour?
Yes, Utada's Exodus was a sub-par album.
It was bold but not a smart move for someone with her huge overseas
success to so severely change her style as she's trying to use that same
reputation to get a foothold in the US. Dir en Grey, I really don't
know.
My buddy in Nagoya has a metal band that
kicks ass (I've mentioned them a lot on my site, name of Vio System
Divide), but his lyrics are kind of in "Engrish." Is that more of a
hindrance to gaining airplay outside of Japan than singing entirely in
Japanese? "Engrish" is a hindrance and a pointless one.
Mari Iijima once told me she was singing
in English at a local anime convention, and the fans demanded she switch
to Japanese. As sad as it may be, there's no doubt that exoticism gives
J-Pop artists an edge in America. Unless, of course, they know English
like Utada and feel they can compete on a level playing field.
What's spinning in your CD player/MP3
list right now?
Right now, uh, Tchaikovsky's Violin
Concerto in D Major. My grandparents saw Singapore's Min Lee play it
with the San Diego Symphony, and they sent my sister the CD, which I
have now adopted. Also, Dead Run by SENS, a group I fell for when I saw
“Kamisama, Mou Sukoshi Dake” and finally interviewed this spring after
trying for a year or so.
Yeah, I haven't heard a lot from SENS,
but what I have heard I REALLY like. They're a pretty prolific duo,
aren't they? Like 30 albums or something?
Yeah, 30 sounds about right—it's just
crazy.
And speaking of interviews, how do those
go down? Do you do phone conferences or face-to-face?
Phone, in person, rarely over e-mail
because those usually suck, but I did just finish a good one with Avant
Garde's Ai Uchida. We traded correspondence for about a month.
Is there one dude/ette whom you rely
on for translation purposes?
Not yet.
When you've had ENOUGH!!!! jpop, what do
you like to listen to? How's the actual performing of music going these
days?
This may be subculture sacrilege, but I
do enjoy most of the radio Top 40 stuff. Billboard's seasonal Hot 100
lists are fun, too. As for specific artists, I don't want to bore you
with too much classical stuff, so I'll just say Sibelius, Vivaldi,
Bruch, Chopin, and Shostakovich. I also love Sting, Santana, Matchbox
20, Ben Folds, Josh Groban, Green Day, OutKast, 3 Doors Down, Tori Amos,
and others that are too embarrassing to name. Viola is going well. I've
finally learned to loosen up when I play, something I wish I had learned
about ten years ago.
Watching much anime these days or is
there just no time in your schedule? You know what, gimme some faves and
fehs anyway. It's my website, dammit.
Anime is almost nil now, though I watched
Nausicaa when it was on TV a few weeks ago. I could still watch FLCL
anytime, and probably Ghost in the Shell. Recently I've been into the
unfortunately named Love Revolution, which is only like the fourth drama
I've ever seen, but I'm on a roll after GTO, Long Vacation, and Kamisama.
I also saw the last half of April Story on TV recently. Maybe I'll pick
that one up.
I know you're a big SaiKano fan, so how'd
you feel about the OVA?
What? The Saikano OVA is out?
Yeah, it came out a while ago. We'll
talk more about it after you watch it. Of these composers, give me your
favorite: Shiroh Sagisu, Kou Otani, Joe Hisaishi. Now justify your
decision. And yes, I've left two important figures off for the next
question.
Oh, fun. Hisaishi is in a league of his
own, I can't find any Otani these days but I loved Haibane, and Sagisu
is resilient even if he shames me by ripping Beethoven passages that I
only realize two years after the fact.
Do you think it'd be safe to call
Hisaishi the John Williams or the Johannes Brahms of anime? It seems
like his scores are always just HUGE with sound. Very epic.
Sure.
As for Otani, he mailed in a performance
with "Shakugan no Shana," which I didn't realize until much later. And
since Sagisu is one of my favorite guys out there, you'll have to
explain the Beethoven comment to me. I took a class in music history in
college, but that was a long time ago.
The second half of Sagisu's "Yukino
Miyazawa I (Concerto)" is a straight rip of Beethoven's Emperor
Concerto.
Do you think that either Yoko Kanno or
Yuki Kajiura have "jumped the shark?" I mean, it takes me about 16
seconds to recognize their work, and it's usually stuff I've heard
before. Is there any gas in the tank left? That being said, who's a more
formidable duo: Kanno & Maaya Sakamoto or Kajiura and Minami Kuribayashi?
If songs are recipes, Kajiura make sure
nobody leaves her anime songs with an empty stomach, though maybe not a
satisfied one. Tsubasa Chronicle was a big change of pace for her. So
that's a good sign. Is Kanno really that easy to recognize? I don't even
know who Minami Kuribayashi is, so I'll go with Sakamoto.
Listen to the Ops for Mai-HiME, Chrono
Crusade, Mai-Otome and Rumbling Hearts and you'll get the idea really
quickly. And from what I understand, Kajiura writes most of her music.
And yes, though the horse is dead; we continue to beat it. Who's your
favourite overlooked composer in anime?
Masamichi Amano is totally overlooked.
His Giant Robo and Princess Nine scores were great, and apparently he
did Battle Royale's music, too. Kenji Kawai also gets no respect, for
some reason. I guess people don't really like Ghost in the Shell's music
that much.
Who's your favourite artist of all
time? Since I also hate answering this question, I'll give you the out
of selecting artists in differing genres.
In J-Pop land, Utada. It's not even
close. I love "First Love." I post on Utada forums. I'm a total Utada
dork.
So you're studying in Missouri, which
means there's mad barbecue all around you. Where's your favourite place
to eat when you're at school or at home? What do you get when you're
there? If you owned your own place, what would be "The Jon," your own
signature dish?
El Maguey has decent Mexican food—none of
that Tex-Mex junk. Burritos or chicken. KC Masterpiece and Super Smokers
were awesome, but they both closed! I would like to buy back Old Town
San Diego from those jerks at Delaware North (the same folks who do
stadium food service, which should tell you all you need to know) who
drained the place of its life and sent all the tourists and locals
elsewhere. I would bring back Hamburguesa for its quesadillas and
especially its Flamenco guitars.
Wait, wait, wait… I asked you about
barbecue because you're in one of the three most important barbecue
places in the country (see also: Texas, North Carolina) and you nerd out
on Mexican food? C'mon boss, you've gotta do better than that. I want
some full-on "smoky ribs with sauce getting all over everywhere"
stories, not burritos and quesadillas. But I'll give you a mulligan on
the Flamenco guitars; those are cool.
Okay, okay, you're in luck because Super
Smokers just opened back up thanks to some cash from one of the local
car dealers. I saw a BBQ special on Travel Channel last night that gave
Memphis the crown, but I can't imagine any city beating the sauces
around here.
Sweet, dude! Thanks for taking the
time to hang out with me here!
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